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The Tunisian grandfather about the future of Elijah and Jonas
For nearly two years living and Jonas Elijah at her grandparents and Saida Ahmed Ochi in Tunisia.
Mr. Ochi, as it is for you, that your son Issam in prison?
Achmed Ochi: This is difficult. My child is in prison. And Janine is coming here.
Issam has kidnapped the children. Why did he do it?
He had no residence permit, she demanded a divorce. He was afraid, reported to be losing the children and. That's why he and Jonas Elijah taken to Tunisia.
What is there for a solution?
Janine wants to take the children back to Switzerland. For themselves, for their mother and their father. This is the, what they want - without Issam. It does not matter. We think: The children are Janine and Issam. But when the kids are back in Switzerland, it is hot: Farewell, Issam.
The situation is much more difficult for Issam, He sees the children of eight years is not long. Janine, however, can see the children, when they want. Every day. Of 8 Clock in the morning until 21 Clock in the evening.
What about Elijah and Jonas goes with you in Jendouba?
The children live here well. They have their own TV, a room, air conditioning and bikes. I ride with them to the countryside. Because they have no parents, Doing everything. But I am not her father. They love their father more than me Issam, They love their mom more than Saida. This is sad. We, for children. For my son. Even for Janine, it is also sad.
Do you want to, Issam that comes back to Tunisia?
No, I want the opposite. I want, Issam that can stay in Switzerland. And manages well with Janine. That the two find a solution with the children.
And what could be the solution?
This year, Elias French at school have. I want to make sure, He also learns that German. He can go to Switzerland and the Swiss can talk to. This is, I think. I think, that they go back one day to Switzerland. But Issam need guarantees.
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The biggest losers here are the children!
It is very sad, that the grandparents just do not see Ochi, what is doing to her son to his own children and of course here Janine.
The DFA and the Swiss government to interfere and finally see, that it never went Issam here to the child welfare, otherwise he would not Kidnapped children but seeks to build a normal relationship with Janine and the rest of the family.
And since when has spit on the flag of the Swiss what to do with religion, that's probably more racism (What supposedly in Switzerland (in any kind) will not be tolerated)?
I wish you much strength and hope Janine, that you can close it again soon your child in your arms.
This interview makes me speechless. However, it is not surprising to me.
2008 I was in a similar situation as Ms Schoch. My almost three year old son at that time was abducted during a trauma Tunisia holidays and hiding.
The child's father shortly after the crime again traveled to Europe and he disappeared.
I'm in Germany and Tunisia made complaint of assault and abduction of minors.
The significance of the grandfather of my son over my Tunisian lawyer was:
"The main thing my son get a visa; Children, we have enough ".
Then ran the visa from the child's father and he was wanted by police. From that point he had to "negotiate" a. His demands were so drastically, was determined in the meantime because of kidnapping with extortion.
I have had the immense good fortune, I've got political support. For this I have to say, that there has been a very dedicated individual woman. It was a long and very forces dizzying way but after 3,5 Months the boy was allowed to return home.
Otherwise, it was the authorities no matter. They said we would understand your situation but it is unfortunately an unfortunate private matter!
I ask myself this: when crimes are are private matters? Why can not women get to Schoch greater support from the Swiss authorities? I would note, that in Tunisia, however, the general opinion is of course not, that the children with their father or. the father's family remain. This is quite in the mother! However, the stay-determination lies with the father. Thus it can verwähren the departure of children. Why the court has awarded Jerouba in the custody of grandparents, I can suggest at this point only. I hope, that Ms. Schoch wins in the next instance in Tunis last their right. However, law and justice have received in this case, two different pairs of shoes. Degrees so it is important, assume that the authorities in Switzerland Mrs. Schoch finally, it will help her and especially the children.
To appeal to the grandparents is probably useless. The interview clearly shows, that unfortunately no
Have empathy for their own grandchildren.
The custody in Tunisia is not the grandfather! It is for the first instance remains in custody in Switzerland, the father of two boys.
Thank you for the information. Then cries the whole still more to the sky
At the very least, the UN Children's Convention, which Tunisia is a party, tuneischen by the courts and the Tunisian government trampled. So much then about democracy.
http://www.kindesentzug24.com/un-kinderrechtskonvention/
Which democracy? Right now begins and ends with democracy .... your money in my Tash ....
More democracy can not be recognized. The Tunisian government, however, could put a sign with this case. But as long as the millions of hardworking flowing from Switzerland and this is not in a position to strike with the hand on the table, as long as they will continue to collect and arrange the rest of the world .... s.
Good to see also the problem of refugees currently in Switzerland concerning Tunisian economic refugees. It just sits in Tunisia, It does not really interest. How long will? Just so long to a politician or a state has enough ass in your pants and stop transfers.
“On the whole it's just about the grandpa,that the hijackers remains in Switzerland!”
Terrible is when I use this line of hidden “Extortion” harvest…Even my son and I are victims of this incredibly horrible deed.
So I know me by now very familiar with these attitudes.
You want to give out the children only,when the “Kidnapper” is guaranteed,that he can stay in Switzerland..
But burning a big question on my mind…
If it's so good but in Tunisia…Why this guy is determined to remain in Switzerland and forces his children to????
The “Kidnapper” my child was 3 Months in prison in Germany and could not stand it any longer, fortunately.
Still, it was very difficult to get my mouse out of his family…I walked into the trap and did not risk…
Also risked,because I almost after 2 Years had no power struggle…either…or….
Dear Janine .., please be pressed firmly!You can be proud of you!!!
I'm really speechless……
When I read that I could explode I. What is this statement ” The situation is much more difficult for Issam, He sees the children of eight years is not long “? If he deserves it and the kids were in Switzerland, he could then see. Probably one would allow that even as a mother. But if a man does not deserve in my opinion,because it is not him or his family but to the children. But a reputation and your honor. Honor as a man, Father and son have failed to. The behavior of the grandparents is really sad…..Where is the heart and the love for the children, But that could just be happy if your mother would you bein. Just as these “allegedly” Sun anxious grandparents to your oh-so-poor son thought to sympathize and,would be slow but once understood, or show a little compassion for Janine. Difficult to understand how it all,now that they are in a similar situation and can not see your son. Oh what I'm talking about because, the oxygen could be omitted but it can not always specify a cold and only then if you have not already invested in an almost identical situation as Janine. I wish you love Janine, all power in the world….. Will not give up and fights. Fighting like a lion Mama
I'm with you in my thoughts ♥
In Germany there are the aid for child abduction. Is there not in Switzerland? What else do the grandparents did not yet, by entrenching children in Tunisia and Janine make life difficult during visits. Can we here do not display. When you visit Issam in jail, They can then spend the night with him like the next few years.
Tunisia is the Tunisian and not the Swiss (or German) Right.
So is not possible indication of aiding and abetting. Whether they visit her son in prison, I doubt. The grandparents have no safe entry permit to Switzerland.
At most it will put the display in Switzerland. Then accesses, as you wrote, However, until entry into Switzerland, or. Schengen.
Unverständich, a father kidnaps his children, apparently not in Tunesein Verbrfechen. Why Switzerland is not willing to put pressure on this country? Our development funds to impose conditions?
The children need their mother but! But seen from the outside is our government stand by.
Just sad. Of course, the grandpa looks like things, as it is now. He has also so get told by his son. But fact is, that children have very poor educational facilities in Tunisia and a return to Switzerland's only later as a laborer. Tunisian education are not recognized here, and are hardly worth anything. I myself have 2 Years in the Middle East lived. A local friend who studied at the University of Computer Sciences – But he could not even get a driver update or bring the Internet to run!! Also, the mentality and work ethic leaves much to be desired. To learn German, f ¨ UR is not enough, the children, if they do not know our culture and work ethic. The family may not matter Ochi be. Even an unskilled worker earns in Switzerland send enough money to Tunisia and enable them to live a comfortable life in old age. Bad, bad!!
What are these grandparents the right, the mother, the children take away? issam blew the hats and is now in jail, one can see that and immediately brings out the child!! longer get updated very often not to say, that's really that simple!!
I always thought that the German government is stupid to be in such cases, But the Swiss government to the whole thing seems idiotic to exceed by far.
As you can see in the media, just feed them tens of thousands of economic refugees from Tunisia by, of which can dance on the nose, coupled with a significant increase in the crime rate in the corresponding regions of Tunisia and blow away by the economic aid that looks like sugar in their lazy butt and then not even on the wall and settle the matter with vigor.
Foreign population in Switzerland is now in 28,8%. Where will this lead cozies? Switzerland has just creates itself from. Damage.
It is also in Switzerland, that foreign fathers of Swiss children receive a residence permit, unless they are convicted of a greater degree. This was probably not the case at Issam. He has no criminal records and had a steady job in Switzerland.
If the case is, as we, could follow from the beginning, is striking, that Issam was not given as reasons for this kidnapping basic, but religious reasons in the forefront pushing. Thus, the children taught to spit on the Swiss flag, or has made statements such as eg. … a country where gay marriages are tolerated, he denies any sovereign rule of law….
Now all the more surprising is the statement of the father, Issam in the above interview, especially since his son, Issam this apparently does not conform to latest information. It also remains to determine that Issam was repeatedly offered the option of an amicable settlement with the Swiss authorities and by.
Grandpa says Ochi either the truth or not, most likely, Issam has his parents are not telling the truth!
That can be good, Issam has shown that this is not at his parents so! Of course not, because I do not think so, that would accept the. Although I do not know and can not estimate.
The, what made Issam, would be most welcomed by his parents hardly good, so that he could not score. It's just, that the children stay in Tunisia under the destination- and custody of the father are. Since this is not because, the fall of his family. This is Islam so.
The German Embassy will not be involved in such things, Swiss authorities want to burn as surely as the little finger. Because they probably have no great opportunities.
But yes you could still use set of economic aid or threaten. help out through diplomatic channels a bit of blackmail, by some important personages can not enter into Switzerland.
Make sure pressure is possible!
And Janine, stay tuned! If your case is now being negotiated on, but not in Jendouba in Tunis, You have hopefully a better chance! The guys have to get out there!
Can Grandpa Ochi set for not a little pressure on him and prove, what kind of guy, his son the truth?
The KV was before but could not care less, if he pulls out the children from their familiar surroundings, that it takes away the mother! He has kidnapped the children of perfidy and sophisticated way to Tunisia, suggesting its major crime. Then he was blackmailing the mother, they should pay him hundreds of thousands of francs, to correspond with him (the child kidnappers and criminals!) Tunisia may live and be with their children.
What is the Father, but thinks Issams, what happened to his son in Switzerland? Of course he should be expelled! BUT he probably should, when he served his prison sentence, even in the country remain, because he is the father of Swiss children… In Germany, it would be so.
Oh yes, Janine is all so easy? She has fought hard for this deal, otherwise they would have NEVER seen her children again!!! And how to maintain this approach Janine? Should they live in Tunisia and WORK? Hahaha, what a joke! But probably think that really.
Fed and clean is not enough, Mr. Ochi! And no TV for little children! Clear, the Tunisians think differently than we.
Yes nice! Then they are not all the time imprisoned in the house and yard, Ochi family because so much fear of abduction has feedback…?!
Mr. Ochi, They took the children, both parents, You supported by your criminal son and still support! If you know the kids would REALLY at heart, would you play them at least the mother! Because, as you say yourself: You and your wife can not replace the children's parents! Your son has committed an offense and is sitting right on his sentence from this.
Give the children the mother finally! Then the children may also visit your father in jail time.
Clear, the golden cow could be milked more, as to the Lord's son had better stay in Switzerland and provide money…
In, the next 8 Years is to come but first NOTHING! How do you want to provide the children in the next few years, Mr. Ochi? Only with telly, Air conditioning and bike???
Bad, that the children ever have to learn German, because they were already!!! If only it were true, Mr. Ochi! Where to learn German and why Elijah because he only? Why not Jonas?
WHEN the children go back to Switzerland? What exactions because you are now to?
Issam sits now guaranteed his first time 8 Years from! Is not that enough? Father is in Switzerland, send the children finally returned to Switzerland!!!!!!!
According to this article but it is time , that the Swiss authorities finally sent someone to the father of the child abductor.
What poor excuses avail of the DFA , that their hands are tied , because the children have Tunisian citizenship ?
Anyone who can read between the lines , who knows , because what can go the.
They should move her butt , but quickly !
Please Liebi Janine wiiter fighting so bravely for boys and dini sSorgerecht. Each CHIND ghört for mothers and do so e sötti niemol raumatischi Erfahrig cunt like you guys and dini. Moegi heart dis'll gfüllt with Chraft, Dumb, Willenschraft and fighting spirit.
Everything from the din all Liebi wiiter way battle
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This is all just a lie and wrong is what the father of himself because he wenns really all about the kids would begin dan HVDCT he at least now give the children free and do not give this crap from the. Janine continue fighting you can do that, we all stand behind you
It's sad how these kids grow up now. Is that supposed to be the best solution? The children belong to her mother. The “Best Nursery Equipment” you can not replace the. ( Let, that television has no place in a nursery). Incredibly this injustice!!
What does he want? The Swiss government blackmail. Is it not in Switzerland and in Germany that he will get a residency permit if he has children there AnyNET?
When did the children come? Someday? If her life is so messed up, that they only work as a laborer or somewhere to charge the Swiss taxpayers. Great thinking, Mr. Ochi.
I spend quite Martina. Look what you made of their son. Strattäter without a future. Do you really want it end their grandchildren so?
Grüßle
Already clear. A television in children at this age is essential for healthy development. What are the biological parents, however, already? I could vomit when I read something like. No wonder that from the son to become a criminal to nothing.